I went into the Nationwide Soccer Centre at St George’s Park armed with, what I believed, was a red-hot scoop.
Considered one of my finest and most secret sources inside the FA had tipped me off that the Southgate household love a pantomime. I used to be primed and prepared for the large query.
“Gareth, what’s your favourite pantomime?” The England supervisor appeared again at me, bemused.
I wanted a fast follow-up: “I’ve been told that you and your family love a pantomime?”
It was a cool response. “I imply, once I was youthful, sure, my dad’s firm typically had a factor to the Pantomime. However no, it might be fairly some time since we have been.
“I’m no Widow Twankey!”
Tempted to shout, “Oh, yes he is!” I as a substitute retreated.
Full credit score to Southgate for making an attempt to play alongside. However in reality, the topic had gone down in addition to an inexpensive Christmas cracker with no banger. Like a soggy sprout. Good begin, Rob.
Time to ask in regards to the extra severe stuff, then.
“You’ve created such a unique atmosphere in this England squad. Is there part of you that thinks, ‘I want to bring that to a Premier League club at some point in the future?’ Is that part of your ambition?”
“I know that I could do that,” Southgate replies, bullishly. “There’s no doubt in my mind.
“There is not a job in world soccer that may intimidate or daunt you, having lived this one, frankly. You are not going to have any larger profile, you are not going to have any larger strain, you are not going to have any extra advanced points.”
He also says he feels he got some bad press in his time as Middlesbrough boss almost 15 years ago and would relish the chance – at some point in the future – to prove himself as a Premier League manager again.
“I used to be 35 years previous once I managed within the Premier League. We completed twelfth and thirteenth, and I knew nothing like what I do know now,” Southgate explains.
“Everyone would speak about Middlesbrough. ‘Oh, he obtained Middlesbrough relegated’. Nicely, yeah, within the third yr, we obtained relegated. However I had three years of Premier League administration.
“Without doubt, in my mind, the first season was the biggest achievement I’ve had, to go from captain/player to managing a multimillion-pound business in the toughest league in the world, and finish pretty much a par finish for where we were budget-wise.
“I am assured on this function. I am assured in no matter is perhaps sooner or later. After all, I am not going to be right here (on the FA) for 20-30 years. I do not know what the long run can be. I am very calm about that.
“I remember talking to Jose (Mourinho) when he was at Man Utd and he said: ‘you know, when you’ve done the role you’re in now, you’ll be able to do anything’. Really? I thought that was probably right, but seven years into it, it’s definitely right.”
So how does he really feel in regards to the job, seven years after first taking it? Does he get pleasure from being England supervisor as a lot now, as he used to?
“Good question,” got here the considerate response. “My day-to-day work I love because I work alongside good people, working with the team. We have players that we like a lot. They’re responsive to everything that you do. They want to get better. We work with top players, so that’s a privilege.
“The large video games that you just win, after all, are pleasing afterwards, for a couple of minutes. So that may be a very small hit of enjoyment.
“A night like Hampden (where England beat Scotland 3-1 in September) where you’re representing England, you’re going into the cauldron, the team play well, we win. Those are great nights. You do enjoy that as you sit back on the bus, but it’s brief. I can’t deny that.
“The victories, as you are within the recreation longer, they final for much less and fewer time as a result of there’s at all times the following problem”.
Staying unbeaten in 2023
So, how does Southgate assess 2023? A yr which England completed with one thing of a whimper – a attract Skopje and a tepid 2-0 win at Wembley over Malta.
Nevertheless, England went unbeaten all through the entire 12 months, and certified for the Euros high of the group and as one of many high seeds. That is supplied a much less daunting group for the finals, which incorporates Denmark, Slovenia, and Serbia.
Southgate admits that may be a far more interesting prospect than the groups England met in qualifying.
“We had definitely the toughest qualifying group in terms of rankings. Ukraine, Italy were the two big concerns. But we knew North Macedonia had big results in the past as well.
“So, yeah, to go to Italy and win after which again that up with beating them at house… they have been essential outcomes, but additionally good performances.”
Harry Maguire has had a very tough 2023. Exiled from the Manchester United starting XI, until injuries gave him the opportunity to play towards the end of the calendar year. Jeered and mocked by opposing supporters – most obviously in Scotland, but also in North Macedonia.
Southgate tells me he was right to keep picking him for his country, even when Maguire wasn’t playing for his club. And the England boss has nothing but admiration for how he has coped with the toughest time he has faced in his career.
“He is a resilient character and you have to have that resilience. Should you’re enjoying at a membership like Manchester United, you are speaking one of many greatest golf equipment on the earth. There’s at all times going to be any variety of tales within the information day by day a few membership like that.
“We know that he can play in the biggest games, we’ve seen him in the tournaments, we know what he brings to the group. In my view, you back your players and I’ve felt at the times we’ve felt the need to do that, it’s been the right thing to do.
“We have at all times had perception in him. Folks say ‘you may have your favourites’, but it surely’s not a case of ‘they’re the folks I like essentially the most’. They’re the people who have performed nicely for us, they’re those that we expect are nonetheless our greatest gamers.”
Nurturing the Bellingham-Kane connection
Jude Bellingham and Harry Kane are indisputably amongst England’s finest. Essential if there are real hopes of successful the Euros. Southgate agrees.
“You’re 100 per cent right, your best chance of winning is to have your best players available,” he says.
“I think any football club in the world, even Manchester City, when they don’t have certain players, it takes something out of the team.
“We’re lucky that in plenty of positions, we have actually good competitors and the drop off is not too dangerous. And the important thing, after all, is to discover a approach to win whoever you may have accessible. So I feel Jude solely performed 5 of our 10 video games final yr, for instance, so we attempt to ensure that we’re growing others for these eventualities.
“Harry and Jude are both playing exceptionally well at their clubs. They’re obviously both at huge football clubs so they have to perform under pressure every week. That’s the sort of environment we want our players in.”
He additionally admits that he is inspired Bellingham to get ahead extra in an England shirt, as he has accomplished for Actual Madrid, to attempt to nurture the understanding with Kane.
“We have played him higher – Jude just off Harry in some of the matches. That has allowed us to attack and defend in a slightly different way. We’d be mad not to try and get that partnership working together.
“The maturity to adapt to that, the way in which he has, says all the things, actually, about how he’s as a participant and as a personality.”
Not that Southgate will allow Bellingham to forget about his defensive duties, when I ask whether that could be Bellingham’s role in the future – an attacking number 10?
“He has obtained some accountability,” the boss says, animatedly. “He may not at all times try this, however he has obtained some accountability to get again. So if he is watching, let’s get that proper!”
Wildcard entries for the Euros?
Whereas Bellingham and Kane are shoe-ins for the Euros squad, Southgate hasn’t dominated out one or two wildcards staking a late declare to be within the 23.
“I think there are one or two players that haven’t been capped yet that could still make the summer,” Southgate says. “I’d be certain about that. It should be harder to get in the team now. We’re established, we’re not an ageing squad, so this team isn’t going to suddenly drop after this next tournament.
“Our younger gamers, in the event you’re speaking 23 and decrease, a few of them have gotten 20-30 caps already. So truly we’re the place we have wished to be for ten years.”
Looking ahead to Euro 2024, Southgate tries very hard to walk a knife edge: he knows England are real contenders to lift the trophy, but he also wants to shy away from any additional pressure, which might label his team as favourites, or arrogant.
In his time in charge of the team, Southgate says his proudest achievement, is returning a sense of pride to both the players, and the fan base.
“Satisfaction is one thing all of us have, that is the honour of representing England. That is why I wished to make English soccer higher once I got here right here to work on youth growth, once I got here right here to work with the U21s.
“The dream is always to be winning the trophy that we haven’t had for an increasing number of years now.
“Sure, we have had the primary semi-final for nonetheless lengthy. We had the primary last for nonetheless lengthy. We’re nonetheless making an attempt to interrupt historical past right here as a result of we have by no means been to a last away from England, we have by no means gained a European Championship, so we try to interrupt obstacles down on a regular basis.
“Pride alone won’t be enough to do that. We have to play well, we have to manage well. We have to, as a group of staff, work well together. So I think the pride is inherent with wearing the badge.
“We have at all times obtained to recollect and recognise we’re a part of this timeline of England soccer, so we should always admire that and cherish it.
“But good decisions are what’s required. Players playing well, everybody committed to the cause, everybody sacrificing themselves for the group. That’s how we’ll win.
“We all know we’re succesful as a result of we have been so shut. It is eminently attainable.”